Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timor-Leste at the 2014 Winter Olympics

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The result was keep. On the basis that the nomination has been withdrawn and all of the Delete !votes are now moot since Timor-Leste has a confirmed competitor. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:21, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Timor-Leste at the 2014 Winter Olympics

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The most recent quota list for skiing ([1]) does not list Timor-Leste as having qualified. Delete or redirect to 2014 Winter Olympics until if and when Timor-Leste is listed on the quota list. Smartyllama (talk) 19:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep For what its worth on the official facebook page of the said athlete [2] he writes "I am Qualifie for the Winter olympic games thx for all your support love you !!!" Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:58, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Facebook and other social media are not reliable sources, generally speaking. None of the sources in the article indicate he has actually qualified, only that he is trying to do so. Smartyllama (talk) 20:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is all a little WP:TOOSOON for an entry just yet. Let's let some official stuff come out first and then we can think about re-adding it. In the meantime we could possibly mention this on the main entry for the country, maybe, but until we have more official confirmation about all of this, it just seems a little premature. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 20:30, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Interesting perhaps for WP:DYK (if it's true), but I agree with Tokyogirl79 that a separate article on this is too soon. I'm sure the relevant info about their participation can go on East Timor for the time being. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 22:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete but not problem having it recreated if he does actually compete. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 10:01, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:14, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 15:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per WP:CRYSTAL. Quite aside from that anyone with a minimal grounding in athletics can think of hundreds of examples where an athlete or a team has been considered a shoo-in for a victory or honor they didn't actually achieve, the sources make it clear that the athlete in question hasn't actually qualified for the Olympics. How about we don't write articles about what happens at the Olympics until, well, the Olympics actually happen? Ravenswing 22:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can we keep the page until the FIS releases their next points list (probably Friday). In my opinion they made a mistake not including the athlete. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The AfD will probably run until Monday, so you'll get a good chance to wait until then. Now something you might want to look into as an alternative is to ask for a copy of the article to get transferred into your WP:USERSPACE, where you can work on showing notability until the point comes where it is no longer WP:CRYSTAL and notability is easily asserted to where it'd merit a mention aside from the main country's article. Until we get that official statement from the Olympics committee that the country is going to be participating in the winter Olympics, it's all conjecture. Someone can seem likely to qualify but not actually make it. It's unfortunate that we can't rely on someone's word, but we have no way of guaranteeing that the athlete was genuinely talking about qualifying. It could've been a joke or a way of trying to get attention and make it more likely to qualify. Other people have tried this with various things before, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article from today [3] confirms the athlete has indeed qualified for Sochi. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Except that the FIS officially here does not show him meeting either the a or b standard, missing the b standard by .44 of a point. Tomorrow there will likely be a new list but how could he even be on it if has not met qualification standards? The tongan page was redirected until it was actually true so we were not promoting fraudulent information, don't know if that is an option.18abruce (talk) 19:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Take his five best slalom results and add up the points then divide by 5 he is below the standard. I did this before the last two lists were released and he had 140.44 points but with the addition of the race on December 20, he goes below the magic number of 140. So a) the FIS made a mistake or b) a race did not count? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the numbers as you say, and you are right, tomorrow's lists should place him in the olympics. I guess we will see.18abruce (talk) 23:10, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"A new flag will grace the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics in Sochi in February. For the first time in the history of the Games, the colours of East Timor will be carried with pride by a competing athlete.

That athlete is Yohan Goutt Goncalves, who, at 19 years of age, has achieved his seemingly impossible dream of qualifying for the Olympics on behalf of the tiny Southeast Asian nation that only became an independent country in 2002.

The French-born skier secured his place at the world’s biggest winter sports spectacle in Serbia on December 29, where he achieved the minimum 140 points required by the International Ski Federation to compete in the slalom event at Sochi. He also hopes to qualify for the giant slalom in the coming weeks." [4] Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 06:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC

we need to use the official quota list. That being said, I suggest we keep this open until the list is released later today. If he is on it, we should keep this article. If not, we should delete or redirect. Smartyllama (talk) 15:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The new official quota list at [5] shows Timor-Leste with a quota. If there is no objection, I am withdrawing this AFD as now we have reliable sources saying he has qualified. Smartyllama (talk) 16:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Smartyllama. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 16:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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